Lorraine Murray
Stephen Mullen
Dominic D'Angelo
Prabhjot Kaur & Shindo Kaur
Ailsa Boyd
held at the Renfield Centre, 260 Bath St. Glasgow
Minutes of an Ordinary Meeting
of The Old Glasgow Club
Renfield Centre, 260 Bath Street
on Thursday, 14th September 2024
Attendance: 82 attended, this number included visitors.
Welcome: President McNae welcomed everyone to the first meeting of the 2024/25
session, which was held in the Garnethill Suite.
He reminded us of the safety exits and procedures in the unlikely event of an emergency,
and to double check that mobile phones were switched off or on silent mode.
Weather Check - in the event of inclement weather please check the website for possible
cancellation of meetings.
Apologies: There were apologies for absence from Anna Forrest, Brian Cooper, Margaret
Cooper, Shona Crozer, E and J Clark.
Minutes: President McNae asked if everyone had seen a copy of the Minutes from the
April 2024 meeting, either by email or printed copy, and asked if there were any
amendments.
There being no amendments or matters arising, the minutes were then passed on a
proposal by Cilla Fisher and seconded by Irene Louden.
President’s Report: President McNae mentioned the “spaces” that the Club was
involved in, i.e. Garnethill and Church Sanctuary. A high number of people preferred the
Garnethill Suite, where the September meeting took place, but the Church Sanctuary was
the most preferred venue.
The Tappit Hen bowling night, the relaxed annual club tournament for members and
friends, was enjoyed by all who participated this year, and was won for a second year by
Graham Pascall.
The Summer outing within Glasgow City by vintage bus had been postponed from July
until Saturday 16th September.
Brian D. Henderson discussed the Blue Plaque, which is planned to be placed in
St Enoch Square on the ex GCT Underground Station building to commemorate the site
of the old St Enoch Church, and the last service which took place there on 1st February
1925.
The cost of the plaque will be £1300, Brian invited anyone who wished to make a
donation towards this project to do so. Any amount would be most welcome.
Brian also paid tribute to our past Vice President, Crawford Cassidy, who passed away on
4th August. Crawford was a long time friend of the club who worked closely with Brian,
who is a past club President. His passing is a great loss, and he will be sorely missed by
all. The club’s condolences were passed on to his wife, Elizabeth, and their family.
Tonight’s Speaker - Lorraine Murray : The Glasgow Witch Trials
Mr McNae introduced our speaker for tonight, Lorraine Murray, an archivist, who has a
fascinating tale of the Glasgow Witch Trials.
Lorraine defined what was understood to be a “witch”. Certainly not the traditional green
face, pointy nose, or a boiling cauldron that most of us would have envisaged! Her
interest in this subject may have been triggered by her dressing up a witch for Halloween
when living in Glasgow’s East End.
All of the forthcoming characters would have been considered to have looked “normal”.
A survey on Scottish Witchcraft found that from 1563 until1736, some 3800+ persons had
been accused of witchcraft. Over 320 were named, 84% were female and 605 were
executed (by hanging). The crime was considered to be a Capital offence and almost
certainly meant a death penalty.
The geographical spread of these “crimes” was spread around Scotland, with 14% in the
West of Scotland and 32% in the Lothian area.
Trials were performed by local Crown Courts, Courts of Justiciary, and Circuit Courts.
Our story tonight concerned the “Glasgow Witches” 1621-1700. Six took place in Pollok
(Eastwood Parish) in 1677, and sixteen took place at Craigton (Govan Parish).
King James VI of Scotland wrote a book about witches in Scotland and endorsed the
practice of witch hunting.
Lorraine showed maps explaining the extent of Glasgow City at the time. The Bishop’s
Palace, situated on the site of the present day Glasgow Royal Infirmary, was used as a jail
and also the Tollbooth at Glasgow Cross.
Out-with the city, Renfrewshire held trials at Bargarran (Paisley) 1697-8, and Kilmacolm.
The accused “witches” were normal people in 16th and 17th century patriarchal society,
who had probably done no more than being outspoken, having financial problems,
blasphemy, holding grudges, stolen cattle, or having annoyed their neighbours. Anything
which brought them to the attention of the authorities could be enough to be accused as
a “witch”.
The “prosecution” considered the accusation even if the actual person was not physically
present at the scene of a perceived crime. Their spirit was, and that was enough to
consider them “witches”.
Some famous persons were involved in the persecution of these poor people, Sir George
Maxwell (Pollok), was an avid witch-hunter, who travelled across Scotland to act as
witness in a number of trials.
Victims of such accusations often displayed signs of convulsions, bruises, and what
would now be considered as abuse, both mental and physical. This would also be
enough to consider them “witches”.
Today, in other parts of the world, people are still being accused of Witchcraft!
A lively session of Questions and Answers concluded Lorraine’s talk, during which it
emerged that at the time of the second world war, an individual in the U.K. was accused
of Witchcraft.
The Witchcraft Act of 1735 was not repealed until 22nd June 1951.
Further information can be obtained at
www.archivvisthistoryblog.wordpress.com
Vote of Thanks: was given by Robin Muir, who thanked Lorraine on behalf of the club, for
a most interesting and thoughtful talk, setting a very high bar for our future meetings in
session 2024/2025.
Quiz: Tonight’s quiz was compiled by Ken Benjamin.
Q - Ken showed statues in Elder Park and asked what their connection was.
A - The answer was Govan Shipbuilders.
AOCB: None
Close: There being no further club business, President McNae closed the meeting and
wished all a safe home.
With a reminder that the next meeting was on Thursday 10th October when Stephen
Mullen would present “The Sugar Aristocracy”.
Stuart Little
for Recording Secretary
held at The Renfield Centre, 260 Bath St. Glasgow
Minutes of an Ordinary Meeting
Of The Old Glasgow Club
Renfield Centre, 260 Bath Street
On Thursday, 10th October 2024
Attendance: There were 82 in attendance, this number included visitors.
Welcome: President McNae welcomed everyone to the October ordinary meeting.
He reminded us of the safety exits and procedures in the unlikely event of an emergency.
We were also urged to double check that mobile phones were turned off, or at least on
silent mode.
Weather Check - in the event of inclement weather, please check the website for possible
cancellations of meetings before heading out.
Apologies: There were apologies for absence from Shona Crozer, Margaret McCormick,
Brian D. Henderson, Joyce McnNae, Colin McCormick, Jane Collie and Glen Collie.
Minutes: President McNae asked if everyone had seen a copy of the minutes from the
September 2024 meeting, either by email or a printed copy, and asked if there were any
amendments or matters arising.
There being no amendments or matters arising, the minutes were passed on a proposal
by Robin Muir and seconded by Ken Benjamin.
President’s Report: President McNae intimated that Robin Muir had returned to Scotland
and would resume his duties as Club Director. Robin has been invited to take on the role
of Vice-President, which will be ratified at a special EGM before the start of the November
meeting.
As the club will be celebrating its 125th anniversary in 2025, a blue plaque
commemorating this , and the last service of the St Enoch Church, which took place
on1st February 1925, will be erected to commemorate these events.
The cost of the plaque is £1,300. It would be much appreciated if anyone wishes to
contribute towards the cost. You can contact the treasurer directly. Many thanks.
Tonight’s Speaker - Dr Stephen Mullen: “The Sugar Aristocracy”
President McNae introduced Dr Stephen Mullen, who previously spoke to the club in
2008, debunking the myth that we like to believe about ourselves that, ‘It Wusnae Us’ -
well it wuz - and now he takes it a step further.
Around the 1830’s there was a large import / export trade market of sugar, tobacco and
cotton between the West Indies and Scotland.
Several local individual merchants were involved, and the West of Scotland became an
“Atlantic Hub”, especially after the River Clyde was dredged in 1820 to allow larger ships
access to the city.
The West Indies contributed greatly to the Scottish Industrial Revolution. The golden age
of sugar imports was between 1783-1834.
The trade businesses were passed on through the generations to wives and daughters.
There were many clubs set up, including the Pig Club, Board of Green Cloth, West India
Club 1775-1795, and Glasgow West India Association 1807-1969.
Legal, commercial structures enabled trade to flourish, trade partnerships were formed
and counting houses were situated, for example in Virginia Street and Miller Street.
The Glasgow Herald was a good source of adverts around 1812, indicating plenty of jobs
for skilled labourers etc.
Although there are no official stats before 1841, 37000-46000 Scots made the journey to
Jamaica, Demerara and Grenada being the main destinations.
Stephen highlighted a memorial to Scots merchants at St Andrew’s Kirk in Kingston,
Jamaica, and also put forward the argument that slavery shaped Glasgow’s industrial
development.
Cotton mill workers, for example, he considers, were complacent in the slavery
movement. Scholarships from investments lasted many years later.
Analysis of investments at the peak trade, averaged £7,569 (£6.76 million in todays
money). Estates, properties, industry, commerce and charities were the result of this.
Stephen finished his presentation by asking what should be done today? Changing street
names would be a matter for civic society.
A lively session of Questions and Answers concluded Stephen’s talk.
Quiz: Tonight’s quiz was compiled by Ken Benjamin.
Q - Where is the statue of “Mercury” situated in Glasgow City Centre?
A - The answer is John Street.
The correct answer was drawn from Frank Lovering.
AOCB: None
Close: There being no further club business, President McNae closed the meeting and
wished all a safe home.
With a reminder that the next meeting was on Thursday 14th November when
Dominic D’Angelo will speak about ‘The Watson St. Warehouse & Lodging House Fire’.
Stuart Little
For Recording Secretary
held at The Renfield Centre, 260 Bath St. Glasgow
Minutes of an Ordinary Meeting
Of The Old Glasgow Club
Renfield Centre, 260 Bath Street
On Thursday, 14th November 2024
Attendance: There were 44 in attendance, this number included visitors.
Welcome: President McNae welcomed members and visitors to the November meeting.
He reminded us of the safety exits and procedures in the unlikely event of an emergency.
We were also reminded to check that our mobile phones were on the silent setting or
turned off.
Weather Check - in the event of inclement weather, please check the website for possible
cancellations of meetings before heading out.
Apologies: There were apologies for absence from Shona Crozer, Brian D. Henderson,
Artie Trezise, Cilla Fisher, Kevin Scott, Peter Mortimer, Niall Houser, Graham Pascall,
Jane Collie, Glen Collie, Rosemary Sanachan and Anna Forrest.
Minutes: President McNae asked if everyone had seen a copy of the minutes for the
October 2024 meeting, either by email or a printed copy, and asked if there were
amendments or matters arising.
There being no amendments or matters arising, the minutes were passed on a proposal
by Colin McCormick and seconded by Iain Henderson.
President’s Report: Special E.G.M
1st - This was held to reinstate Robin Muir as a Director since his return to the UK. This
was carried unanimously by those club members present.
2nd - The election of Robin to Vice-President, the post to which he had originally been
appointed. This was also carried unanimously by those club members present.
President McNae reminded us that the 125th Anniversary of the founding of the Old
Glasgow Club would be in 2025 and appealed for members to help make this milestone
possible. We already have Robin Muir and Kevin Scott, asked to help shape the
celebrations.
Further donations for the Blue Plaque were requested. Any donation, no matter how small
would be gratefully received.
Tonight’s Speaker - Dominic D’Angelo: “The Watson Street Warehouse and Lodging
House Fire”
President McNae introduced club member, Dominic D’Angelo to present his talk on the
above subject.
The fire took place on Sunday 19th November, 1905 but Dominic took us back to the
origins of this building and surrounding area. Watson Street, Gallowgate, High Street and
Bell Street.
The warehouse was built by Wm Millar as a furniture store, the then largest in Scotland,
and designed by Alexander (Greek) Thomson.
During the 1850’s the need to provide accommodation for homeless people, due to the
huge increase of immigrants, many of which were Irish. The Glasgow Improvement Trust
having inspected a Model Lodging House (workhouse) in Pentonville, London, opened
Glasgow’s first in Mitchell Street, 1857. Many were subsequently provided throughout the
city.
In due course the building was converted into a lodging house, incorporating an adjacent
slightly smaller one for homeless males, which was separated by McPherson Street.
Small “cabins” were provided with very basic facilities on two floors.
By 1905 it was reported that 80% of the residents were permanent.
To save costs, fire precautions were downgraded and wardens, who were employed to
patrol the premises each night, were gradually reduced in numbers.
On the night of the fire, 368 men were living there, and the combination of gas lighting,
smoking and candles made the likelihood of the fire great.
39 men died, plus one other later. A locked gate on the first floor was subsequently
opened by firemen. Such was the scale of the blaze, it attracted the attention of the
national UK press.
At a later enquiry no one was found directly responsible for the fire.
As late as 1953, Glasgow city still had 19 working lodging houses.
Today the area has been transformed by the clearing of the old buildings and erection of
modern apartments.
A session of questions and answers concluded Dominic’s talk.
On behalf of The Old Glasgow Club, Robin Muir thanked Dominic for his interesting and
well illustrated talk.
Quiz: A view of the Palace of Arts building prompted the question compiled by Ken
Benjamin, of where, when and to what purpose was this built.
The correct answers were Bellahouston Park, 1938 and the Empire Exhibition
respectively. E Crawford was the winner with her correct answer picked out by Dominic.
AOCB: None
Close: There being no further club business, President McNae closed the meeting and
wished all a safe home.
He reminded everyone that our next meeting in December was, “A History of Sikhs in
Glasgow”, and also that the annual Christmas Raffle would take place.
Stuart Little
for The Recording Secretary
held at The Renfield Centre, 260 Bath St. Glasgow
held at The Renfield Centre, 260 Bath St. Glasgow
Minutes of an Ordinary Meeting
of The Old Glasgow Club
Renfield Centre, 260 Bath Street
on Thursday, 8th January 2025
Attendance: There were 39 members and visitors in attendance.
Welcome: President McNae welcomed members and visitors to the January meeting and
wished everyone a Happy New Year.
He reminded us of the safety exits and procedures in the unlikely event of an emergency.
We were also reminded to check that our mobile phones were on the silent setting or
turned off.
Weather Check - in the event of inclement weather, please check the website for possible
cancellation of meetings before heading out.
Apologies: There were apologies for absence from Robin Muir, Shona Crozer, Sallie
Marshall, Julie Clark, Edwin Gibb, Kevin Scott, Jim Mearns, Margaret Russell, Jim
Russell, Gaynor MacKinnon, Jane Collie, Glen Collie, Peter Mortimer and Ruaraidh Clark.
Tonight’s Speaker - President McNae introduced tonight’s speaker, Mr John Logan
Short, on “The Logan Family”.
Mr John Logan Short is the son of Buddy Logan and nephew of the late Jimmy Logan.
He began his talk with a detailed history of his Grandfather, Jack Short, who was born in
Dennistoun in 1896. He appeared in productions with the “Dennistoun Amateur Minstrels”
and accompanying silent film shows. Called up in 1914 to the Scottish Horse Regiment,
his service ended in 1918 when he was wounded in the right leg, which subsequently had
to be removed.
Jack’s marriage to Mary (May) Dalziel, a singer, was blessed in 1921 by a son known as
Buddy. Their act became May, Jack and Buddy in the 1930s. A name change around
1940 resulted in them adopting “Logan” as a stage name.
Jack’s son, Buddy went to America and performed with Bing Crosby. His daughter,
Annabelle returned from the USA in 1949 and changed her name to Annie Ross,
becoming well known as an actor Jazz vocalist and Bebop performer, appearing in such
films as “Yanks”.
Jim, their younger son, married Grace, a Yorkshire dancer and began appearing in films
such as “Flood Time” in 1949 with Gordon Jackson.
The family bought the Metropole Theatre in Glasgow’s Stockwell St and the Logan family
were established as well loved Scottish entertainers.
When the Metropole Theatre closed, the other “Metropole” at St George’s Cross was
purchased and was now the home for Jimmy Logan and variety shows. It closed down
and was demolished in the early 1970s due to redevelopment of the area and loss of
population to the suburbs and new towns.
An offshoot of the family ensured that the name Logan lived on in “Loganberry Pies”.
Mr John Short who is a producer, arranger and singer, completed his very amusing and
entertaining evening with a few verses of a song which was sung at the end of the Logan
Family presentations.
Several questions followed and the vote of thanks was made by club member,
Frank Lovering.
Quiz: There were four possible suggestions for the name of the illustrated suspension
bridge. The answer was the South Portland Bridge. The correct entry was picked out,
with Frank being tonight’s winner.
AOCB: None
Close: There being no further club business, President McNae wished all a safe home
and reminded us that the next meeting on Thursday 13th February is “A Strange Affray in
Crosshill” by Dr. Ailsa Boyd.
Stuart Little for Recording Secretary
held at The Renfield Centre, 260 Bath Street, Glasgow
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